Thusday, August 6, 2009

The following television interview of July 28th, 2009, by host Neil Cavuto, with socialist Brian Moore, was not posted on FoxNews Business website after the live program, and thus, could not be copied.  However, to obtain a video copy the network now charges fees to lease its videos for a limited time (up to $2,225 for 15 months). However, a transcript of the 8.5 minute interview was obtained by Brian from FoxNews on August 5th, and can now be read:

Brian emphasized a socialized health system, with Single Payer health as a transitional compromise.  He spoke of 27 other countries with national health programs, who have better health outcomes and live longer than Americans.  Brian also accused the United States of rationing health care, causing 20,000 Americans to die unnecessarily each year.  He urged the elimination of 1500 private health insurance companies, salarying doctors and owning hospitals, and capping salary levels of medical providers during the transition to a national socialized health system.  Brian agreed with Neil Cavuto, the host, that lawyers would also be limited by tort reform and he referred to lower Canadian indemnity insurance costs as proof that it can be done. 

Brian also blamed the politicians and health insurance industry for its scare tactics and false stories, and conveyed his personal experience as a "Kaiser [Health Plan} baby" in California.  He also spoke of his 20 years as a professional administrator in the HMO field, seeing a "social" health system work through government grant programs, but failing and suffering miserably when turned over to the private sector and Wall Street, for profit and greed, by then Governor Reagan in California, and then President Reagan nationally.

Moore also criticized U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy, and the liberal Democrats, and President Obama by inference, for being part of the capitalist system, and for not supporting a truly social health system.  Moore said they (the so-called progressives) lack principal, and that is what his political ideology has to offer; along with implementing a more equitable distribution of money for the nation.

FOXNEWS’ NEIL CAVUTO INTERVIEWS SOCIALIST BRIAN MOORE ON EXECUTIVE PAY LIMITS

New York/Tampa: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 6:30-7:30 PM EST

 

 "A Fox Business Alert." 

 

Neil Cavuto:  All right.  Moments ago, [Congressman] Barney Frank's House Financial

Services Committee voting to approve new rules on executive pay at financial firms

that encourage, what they talk about, “inappropriate risk.”



My next guest has a simple answer for all the critics about “regulation.”  Socialist

Party, USA, Brian Moore.  Good to have you back.



Brian Moore:  Thank you, Neil.   Nice to be back.



Neil Cavuto: My only concern, Brian, is if the government had a great track record

Policing anything, I would be eager for it, but at least be able to police your own risk.

This is the government.  [It] talks about other people assuming risk [but] has no

problem spending a trillion dollars with no guarantee that [it] is going to yield any

savings on health care.  I could go on and on.  That is my problem.  You [the

government] hardly has a great track record, you know.



Brian Moore:  Well, obviously we [the socialists] would like to see the health system

nationalized so that we would [have] salaried physicians, and own and run the

hospitals, and, therefore, eliminate all 1500 insurance companies; and be able to

then save upwards of $600 billion a year annually; and eliminate all that paperwork

and profit incentive.


Neil Cavuto: That is assuming that is exactly what you get if you nationalize, sir.



Brian Moore:  That's correct.  Yes, but a compromise to that would be what Mr.

[Congressman] Kucinich said--the Single Payer system.  We support that as an

Interim step; but in the long run we nationalize the entire health care system.



Neil Cavuto: Those entities that either… countries that have nationalized health care,

or government-run health care or any variation in between… they're not exactly

firing on all cylinders, and they're not living demonstrably longer [lives] than we

have or dramatically health[ier] lives.  I assume if you give up a lot in this country,

for a lot of folks, 90% for whom health insurance is available and by and large

they like it to pay exorbitant cost to cover the 10% so who don't, that is big demand,

is it not?



Brian Moore:  Not really.  Many, many Americans are very dissatisfied with the

health system.  It is broken, wasteful and duplicative.  There are 27 countries

around the world that really do extend the lives of their citizens beyond what we

live. And they have a lower infant mortality and things of that nature. Their quality of

life is much better.  We're out on the streets carrying [flags of other countries]--.



Neil Cavuto:  We [the USA] have a lot of people, Brian.  We compare ourselves to

Canada.  I love Canada.  I know I get e-mails from neighbors to the north.



Brian Moore:  Yes.



Neil Cavuto: Much smaller population.  And a lot of them are pretty ticked off about

the waiting in line, and if they have something serious, maybe dying as they're

waiting in line.  Now that is hardly across the board but, you hear from enough that

they say, go slow, America, before you try to emulate us.



Brian Moore:  Well, there may be some limitations in Canada, but we ration health

care here in the United States.  You know, 20,000 people die every year because

they don't have access to medicines and [to] the doctors.  So, you know, let's not

kid ourselves.  There is rationing going on [in the United States].



Neil Cavuto: How many would die on a comparable level in a country where, you

know, everyone has health care made available to them, but because there's only

finite number of doctors and MRI machines, Cat Scan machines, that some are going

to die along the line, right?  Along the way.  It is just natural.



Brian Moore:  Certainly, [yes].  But, with the profit motive in the united states, we

have duplicative Cat Scans and MRI's and we have too many machines anyway.



Neil Cavuto: No doubt.  No, I think you're right a lot about it.  There is [a] lot that is

wrong here.  I think what most people in this country, feel, Brian, if we throw out

one system make sure as hell the next system is better.  The problem we see with

pushing this health care reform, some of its most touted goals as repeated a lot

on this very show tonight that it would insure everyone.  Turns out it won't.  That it

would save a lot of money and turns out it would cost a lot of money.  Ipso facto,

lousy-o, right?



Brian Moore:  I'm a Kaiser [Health Plan] baby.  I was born and raised in Oakland,

California.  The company [Kaiser Aluminum] owns the hospitals and salaries the

physicians, and delivers comprehensive care.  I worked in the HMO business for 20

years.  In fact I was accused [of] promoting “socialized medicine” in '70s and '80s

under [then] Governor [Ronald ] Reagan.  I have seen it work properly in [health]

cooperatives in Puget Sound [Washington state] and in Oklahoma.  The HMO’s would

have done well under [a] government grant system.  [Then] President Reagan

turned it [the HMO program] over to the  private sector, and elements of greed and

profit got into the thing and a lot of people suffered the consequences.



Neil Cavuto: I don't know enough about those situations to argue the point with you.

You're much closer to the ground than I would be.   Seems when I hear guys like

you talk about this, I have enormous respect for you, Brian,  [But] I would say this,

are you against doctors making money?  Are you against a neurologist or brain

surgeon, or cardiologist making a lot of money?  Do you think we should put caps on

their pay?  Because --



Brian Moore:  Absolutely.



Neil Cavuto: Really?  Because, don't you need to be given incentives to do certain

things, even in the medical field?  That if you're going to learn that, you want to do

good, absolutely.  I think all doctors swear by the Hippocratic oath and want to do

good.



Brian Moore:  Right.



Neil Cavuto: But they also want to do well for their families, right?

There is nothing wrong with that, right?



Brian Moore:  They can make money under our [socialized] systems.  We want a

five-to-one ratio, or ten-to-one [ratio] at the most.  You can be successful

and make money.  [However] We don't want exorbitant ratios [of] 100-to-1, or

1,000-to-1.



Neil Cavuto: Why?  In other words, you don't cut down on lawsuits and not you

specifically, [but] there is no tort reform here.  So the lawyers can continue to

[be] making tens of millions of dollars a year.  The brain surgeon, all of sudden,

we're putting a cap on his pay.  And you know, … one day, one of these guys

[who is] advocating [salary caps] …[will] need a brain surgeon.  Because that brain

Surgeon will [be at] that operating table [knowing that] …you're the guy who is

limiting me.  This operation isn't going to go well.  That's all I'm saying.



Brian Moore:  Neil, it is a fair system.  It will be equitable and it will reward all the

professionals.



Neil Cavuto: What about the lawyers?  Lawyers get a pass though?  Lawyers get a

pass.



Brian Moore:  No.  There was actually a recent study where the lawyers in

Canada, [where] the insurance for liability is much, much lower there.  So, every-

body's got to participate in a communal effort.  There is more of an equitable

distribution of dollars.  And, a more humane approach to the way we should work in

our society.  It is democratic.  It is really a …. purer form of democracy, and it

does work, and I've seen it work.



Neil Cavuto: All right.



Brian Moore:  We just have to believe.  All these scare tactics, we're just scaring

people, these stories are false.



Neil Cavuto: You can argue the scare tactics.  When the CBO [Congressional Budget

Office] itself, it is not scary when it says it [health reform] will not save money. 

Hate to break it to you, it will not save money.  Not a scare tactic.  Ted Kennedy,

patriarch of health care, not everyone is covered.  Live with it.  That is not scare

tactic.  These are some of the chief proponents aren't there,… not happening right?



Brian Moore:  Yes.  But they're products of the capitalistic system.  They are

products of this; they're beholden to the corporate entities.



Neil Cavuto:  Ted Kennedy is a product of the capitalist system?  His family?



Brian Moore:  Yes he is.  Ted Kennedy, he, and all the [Democratic] liberals.  We

need people that are basically speaking up for principle and what is right.



Neil Cavuto:  Brian, you are never going to be invited to that Hyannis Port Christmas

party.  You're off the list! 

Brian Moore, good having you.  Thanks for coming.



Brian Moore:  Thank you, Neil.

 

Interview lasted 8 minutes and 30 seconds.  Aired on Tuesday, July 28, 2009, on national cable television station FoxBusiness.com, between 6:30 and 7PM, EST.  Neil Cavuto was reporting from New York City’s FoxNews studios; and Brian Moore was interviewed in the Fox TV Station 13, in its Tampa, Florida studios.

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